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and the demand for oil -- actually, and the demand for oil continues to decline based on fuel economy standards and other reasons. and yet, with this revolution we still continue to have a problem. and i think the report that we're releasing today, the national strategy for energy security and its subtitle really says it all -- harnessing american resources innovation. and the first point is, how do we leverage this abundance we have in the united states to our maximum benefit? at a time when washington is talking about our fiscal crisis i'd say that the relationship of our oil needs to this crisis itself are close. it might not solve our fiscal crisis but clearly it's a necessary ingredient. every recession in the history of the united states in moden times has been preceded by or happening concurrent with an oil price spike. if we don't have continued growth we can cut all we want and raise revenue all we want, but we'll never find a way to solve our fiscal troubles. and i think this report really looks at how do we leverage this great abundance, this great blessing in the united states, both
to work on what we all agree to, which is let's keep middle-class taxes low. that's what our economy needs. that's what the american people deserve. >> white house also turning to social media has a twitter hash tag to spread its message. >> today i'm asking congress to listen to the people who sent us here to serve. i'm asking americans all across the country to make your voice heard. tell members of congress what a $2,000 tax hike would mean to you. call your members of congress. write them an e-mail, post it on their facebook walls. you can tweet it using the hash tag #my2k. not y2k, my2k. >> i think that's going to push us into the promised land. >> i was incredibly encouraged. i had been depressed and then i said this could actually get done with a hash tag. >> you're very pessimistic. we heard erskine bowles saying yesterday, he thinks it's less than a one in three chance, of course, co-author of the simpson-bowles plan. >> i was in washington earlier this week and met with a lot of these characters. the bottom line is there have been a lot of meetings, most of them between people w
forward, helping us revive this economy. we don't want to set them back. and so why not do what the senate did several months ago in passing a bill bipartisanly that protects the middle class from seeing their taxes raised? we only need a few dozen republicans, quite honestly, to get that done because we're about to sign a discharge petition that we are going to declare as democrats that we are ready to plass the middle class tax protection act which will make sure that middle-class families do not watch their taxes go up simply because republicans are intent on protecting millionaires and billionaires and are holding middle-class families hostage to that increasing tax. we believe we can end december, certainly before the holidays on a really good note, maybe still having some disagreement but at least let's agree that we're not going to let the american people watch congress play this game of chicken right before the holidays where the american people are the hostages when we know that we have bipartisan agreement on protecting the middle class. and so we are thrilled that mr. walz has t
are willing to make sure we don't go over this fiscal cliff but at the same time don't harm this economy. what has to happen here if the president shows a little leadership we are willing to stay in the room and stay here and we are willing to get this done. that's why you saw a proposal that is raoeubl reasonable that meets his criteria. >> reporter: steny hoyer said in the next few days we will see substantive movement in private to get this done. jenna: we'll continue to watch the play-by-play, mike, thank you. jon: right now we are continuing to await a speech by former president george w. bush, the speakers are taking to the podium there to get ready to introduce the former president. he is set to address a conference there in dallas, where he will spotlight the positive impact of immigration on u.s. economic growth. this as the g.o.p. looks to attract more hiss to the party. meantime mr. bush's father, former president george h.w. bush is spending another day in the hospital being treated for bronchitis and a lingering cough. we told you about that last week when we first found out that
economy, it would be good for our children's future. and i believe that both parties can agree on a framework that does that in the coming weeks. in fact, my hope is to get this done before christmas. but -- the place where we already have in theory at least complete agreement, right now, is on middle-class taxes. and as i've said before, we have two choices. if congress does nothing, every family in america will see their taxes automatically go up at the beginning of next year. starting january 1st, every family in america will see their taxes go up. a typical middle-class family of four, would see its income taxes go up by $2200. that's $2200 out of people's pockets. that means less money for buying groceries, less money for filling prescriptions, less money for buying diapers. it means a tougher choice between paying the rent and paying tuition and middle-class families just can't afford that right now. by the way, businesses can't afford it either. yesterday, i sat down with some small business owners who stressed this point. economists predict that if taxes go up on the mi
over $250,000 paying a higher tax. they have confidence in this economy, perhaps the reason that your party saw success in the election. what do you make of this notion that, again, some republicans say the president doesn't get small business or economic growth somehow? >> well, i think the american people roundly rejected that. they think the president gets it. that's why they voted for the president. more than that, economists think the president gets it. this really is a balanced approach, and i don't think any credible economist will tell you we can simply cut our way out of the current deficits and debt. we need new revenues, and where should they come from? should they come from a middle class or working families that have really struggled or had setbacks in the last decade, or should it come from families that have done very well and can be asked to do more? if you look at the prosperity we enjoyed during the clinton administration when the tax rates were higher on upper income families, that certainly didn't kill economic growth. we have incredible economic growth during the
in this country. theit has done nothing to stimulate jobs. it has done nothing to take our economy into a better shape. it was the bush tax cuts and the wars that drove us into this huge deficit that we have now. not the republicans' entitlements for this country and then we have neglected this country and the people of this country. we could have created jobs 10 times over. you have vets that are going to be coming back here, and where are the jobs for them? we have focused so much on these wars we got quagmired into, obama has been trying to get us out of them for the last four years. all the republicans have done for the last four years is say no, no, no to any kind of -- and obama has tried to push through bills to cut taxes for job creators, fo. host: for small businesses? caller: yes, for small businesses. host: here is reaction from senator lindsey gramm. he says this -- a republican from new jersey, go ahead. caller: i am calling in reference to this fiscal cliff. at this point, all the seniors are already in trouble. they are not going to get but a little increase. congress will automat
, that is good news, you saw growth in economy and in the last few moments we moved higher and we are positive for the week. when you check it out and industrials we are up 44 points and most of those names on the dow are in the green, names like hewlett-packard and caterpillar and bank of america and united healthcare doing well. the fiscal cliff headline after headline continues to be in the forefront and on everybody's mind that this is what we are seeing, a decent market and the u.s. dollar being weaker today has been a factor in the strength we are seeing as well. connell: treasury secretary tim geithner meeting with congressional leaders and doing so as we speak. dagen: peter barnes live from capitol hill. peter: treasury secretary tim geithner arriving at our or so ago to hold meetings with top congressional leaders. senate democratic leader harry reid, now he is meeting with house speaker john boehner, that meeting just getting underway, after that meeting with senate republican leader mitch mcconnell and house democratic leader nancy pelosi and with the president and republicans on ra
where substantively republicans believe in things and think certain things are better for the economy and the country, they will be in a weaker position to achieve any of those things. but they have to take into the consideration the idea that everybody's taxes will go up january 1st if there is no deal. it is not going to be all on the president's shoulders. in fact most of might be on theirs temporarily and for good. they have to decide what is the better position. and you know, will the president and the democrats offer them something that they really should take, significant spending cuts? some kind of significant entitlement reform? those are kind of things republicans have been after for a long time. even though there would be grumbling about tax increases on certain income level, that is something they could take home and really savor. this depends where it goes, the brinkmanship continues. david drucker from "roll call." thank you. >> thanks a lot. jenna: well now we turnover seas where we have some new information today on what some say could really be a turning point in the
. if you believe that? >> it's hard to imagine that the president would want to send the economy into another recession. that would be a terrible start to his second term and it would cripple the rest of the spectrum. everything else that he would want to do. it would seem a bit suicidal to do that. that being said, there is a scenario where he thinks that he might be able to quickly turn around and get tax cuts back in place. it depends on how much you think going over the fiscal cliff will affect the economy. others say it will be devastating and others say it will be back. it depends on where you stand when you are making these sort of analyses. megyn: it feels like we are left with the economy -- with people's livelihoods and growth in the country and salaries and unemployment benefits. we are just left. both sides are accusing the other of being the untethered risk taker. last night speaker boehner made remarks demanding leadership on the president. here he is. >> this is not a game. jobs are on the line. the american economy is on the line. this is a moment for adults leade
wealthy americans are the ones who are creating the jobs and helping to turn this economy around. that remains the big sticking point. those bush era tax cuts, white house saying it should be extended for middle class americans but not for those upper income americans, carol. >> how seriously should we take these negotiations? both sides are negotiating in public, not the greatest way to negotiate in the world, right? >> reporter: right. you sort of have to take it based on the information they give you. there's a lot that goes on behind the scenes. we've seen this play out over the last four years where both sides will sort of throw these sharp elbows publicly, but then they do hammer something out. we do have to take it seriously. you have to get a sense that both sides understand the serious nature of this fiscal cliff and they do want a deal to get done. so they are looking for ways to find some kind of agreement. they are looking at outside groups today as well. the president will meet with half a dozen governors, arkansas, minnesota, utah, wisconsin, republican governor fro
taxes which we think would be harmful to the economy. and if you look at how much revenue that raises, $68 billion next year, that funds a government for less than a week. and it does potential significant harm to the economy and raises taxes on the very people we are asking to go out and create jobs. >> dick durbin says when you're talking about entitlement reform or cuts in spending for medicare, medicaid for example, he says that's too complicated now. listen to what he said this morning. >> when it comes to medicare, we know that it's going to run out of money in 12 years. whatever changes we want to make should be thoughtful changes not made in the heat of the fiscal cliff. >> can you defer medicare for example -- medicare reform until after you get a deal on the fiscal cliff? >> well, if we do that, wolf, i think what you have to do is also defer the issue of taxes. i think you extend tax rates some time into the foreseeable future whether that's six months or a year and allow us to go through the process where we can deal with entitlement reform and tax reform in regular order.
of this country's economy. and actually, things are looking up, if you look at -- >> they're not saying that. >> -- the data. >> they're not saying that. i'm saying small business owners will be hurt. >> yeah. >> if you raise taxes. but -- we're talking about compromise. this is my view. you've got your view. you know what the answer is? >> yeah. >> getting together and talking saying, listen, this is what i can live with. you know what? 39.6% is offensive, even raising it 1 percentage point is offensive. why don't we do what warren buffett says and anybody that makes $1 million or more pays 30%, a minimum tax rate of 30%. and you raise the level up to $500,000 instead of $250,000 and i'll go ahead and reluctantly agree to raise the top rate to 37%. that's how deals are done, but you never get there if you don't have a president and congress -- >> but they can't do that now. >> why can't they do that? >> it's the centerpiece of their argument since the campaign and tim geithner on the sunday shows. they say there is no deal about raising taxes on the wealthy. >> and they're right. the matter
we should have a balanced approach to deficit reduction that doesn't hurt the economy or hurt middle class families. glad to see if you have been reading the pains more and more republicans in congress are agreeing with this idea we should have a balanced approach. >>shepard: he referenced some in the g.o.p. who signal they could be willing to play bull. the republican leadership still is insisting they will not consider tax hikes. >> republicans are willing to put revenue on the table the it is time for the president and democrats to get serious on the spending problem our country has. >>shepard: president obama continues the p.r. blitz. later today he is scheduled to meet with big business leaders to discuss the proposed fix to the fiscal cliff. ed henry is live with us at the white house. what seem it is to be lost in this is the tax cuts going to expire. that's it. if they want to extend them on some, they can. but he will not allow it on people who make more. what part of this is confusing? >>reporter: a lot of other pieces that are confusing because no one wants to come to the
to increase the deficit. it's not going to create jobs. it's not going to inject demand into the economy that will create jobs. this is a bad deal all around. what we need is to make a judgment about what we do. does it reduce the deficit? >> joining me now is senator sherrod brown. senator, good to have you with us tonight. your comments on what nancy pelosi has to say about revenue. >> she's right. you look at a little history in the 1990s. the upper one or 2 or 5% were paying more in taxes. just a little bit more. we had 21 million private sector job creation, net job creation. when george bush cut taxes on the wealthy in 2001 and 2003, we've had no real job growth and no wage growth during this past decade. we're finally now after ten straight years of manufacturing job decline hitting places like toledo and cleveland and cincinnati particularly hard, we're seeing now in the last two years after the auto rescue, after we're doing some of the right things here, we're seeing job growth. i agree with what nancy pelosi said. history improves itself. >> so based on history, this is about
the world economy. the paper went on to school lawmakers here saying that the u.s. should act a responsible power. oh, boy. of course, china's interest is purely self-interest here. the last thing he needs it needs is a slowdown in consumer spending. after all, where would the chinese and their economy be if it weren't for america? that's right. a lot more to come during this hour. what this tax fairness mean? i will break down the numbers. folks like warren buffett don't want to talk about this. and aaa and unusual warning about a blend of gasoline. the federal government wants you to start using the gas. to start using the gas. but will it damage your you know how painful heartburn can be. for fast, long lastinrelief, use doctor recommended gaviscon®. only gaviscon® forms a protective barrier that helps block stomach acid from splashing up- relieving the pain quickly. try fast, long lasting gaviscon®. i've got a nice long life ahead. big ans. so when i found out medicare doesn't pay all my medical expenses, i looked at my options. then i got a medicare supplement insurance plan. [ male
to see the economy plummet and then say we tried and we have to give in on that. that's an awfully dangerous game to play. >> that's sad. >> dana, we have word that mitt romney is going to the white house tomorrow. oh, to be a fly on the wall over there. what do you expect that meeting to sound like? >> awkward. >> is this for show? because obama basically said that he would or do you really expect this to be a meeting of the minds and actual sort of agenda to come out of it? >> yeah. well, the white house announcement is terrific. it said it's a private meeting in the private dining room and no press. >> right. >> very clear that they won't want anything to come out of it. i suspect it will be one of those photo releases of them strolling down the colonnade or something looking like good friends. >> that's what i thought. >> this is a requirement. they agreed to do it. neither one particularly likes the other. obama, you know, in his press conference said he likes the way mitt romney ran the olympics. perhaps asking him to do something in the sporting field. >> maybe he'll give hi
the economy. if we're going to pick a store, let's go to costco which is known for treating its workers better than basically any general retailer in the country. i've been covering labor for a few years for "the new york times" and a few years ago, several people were saying, you should take a look at costco. they really do remarkable job in how they treat their workers. so i went out to their headquarters in washington. i spent a day with that gentleman next to biden, mr. sinegal, co-founder of the company. his father was a steelworker. he grew up in pittsburgh. i figured he was sympathetic to unions. he grew up catholic. he said, no, no, that's not why i treat our workers well. we're not the little sisters of the poor. he said it's good business. he said treating workers well mean they work hard for you, there's far less turnover. the typical costco worker who's been there more than a year stays on average 17 years. costco is known for having far less theft than most retailers. and he says when someone has to put the huggies on the shelf in the middle of the night they know exactly where to
paid down and start growing the economy again. that's not unusual or new to any of us. nobody in the country. so i think the president is sticking to what he said throughout the campaign and as i said 3 million more people voted for him than voted for the other guy. >> with that said, on taxes, if there's any chance on your side, is there any chance on your side to come down to the form of a smaller tax hike on incomes above $250,000 or would you consider keeping rate it is same at $250,000 and raising them only on higher incomes, say half a million or $1 million a year? >> i think it's all part of the negotiations. we know where the president is and that is 250,000. but there are a lot of democrats who voiced back before the campaign 500,000, some say even a million. all of that is going to be negotiated. the president wants 250. if mr. boehner wants to come and offer something different, i'm sure he will do that. but the president stands at 250. which is below even where i was but he won the election. so i'm going to respond to the president though it's a number diffent from
are an economy that is driven by consumer demand. i cannot think of anything that would be more guaranteed to put the economy in a recession than increasing the price of all goods and services that we purchase by 20-25%. >> host: we'll give brad on twitter the last word here. he says negotiate and simplify, let the republicans lower taxes and get rid of the amt. john buckley, thank you for your help this morning in helping us try to understand the alternative minimum tax, appreciate it. >> guest: okay, good. >> in a few moments, a discussion of house spending cuts in the so-called fiscal cliff. in a little less than an hour, more about the fiscal cliff with republican representative tom cole from oklahoma. then the head of fema testifies on capitol hill about the government's response to hurricane sandy. and later, senate debate on the u.n. treaty for the disabled. ♪ ♪ >> this weekend on c-span3's american history tv, follow harry truman easeleddest grandson to hiroshima as the city prepared to mark the bombing of the city in 1945. >> you know, everybody has their own view what happened, and
. that would be good for stimulating the economy. but the big thing is hit there needs to be a balanced plan. we need more revenue and we need less spending at the federal level. what is good for california is not good for virginia and what's good for virginia is not good for maryland. maybe we need to focus on reducing the federal government overview. been there would not be as much spending or taxes needed. then let the states deal with the taxes they need to take care of their citizens. host: robert, milwaukee, democratic caller. caller: i would like to say that the republican party, not all of them, i think it's just the tea party, they are destroying the republican party. when i saw senator dole in his wheelchair yesterday and military disabled individuals throughout the world, when they did not pass the ada treaty, which was signed in 1990 by president george h. w. bush and then it continued on with president bush and clinton and everyone else thereafter, when they did that, now i understand they are just not the party that any of us would want to be involved with. that's all i have to
. >> the concern people have is the world economy is in a very fragile state right now. i don't have to say what the problems of the eurozone have, they're very manifest. but the global economy as a whole, there's a lack of confidence, a worry about where it's going. so if you in america, and people have a lot of confidence in america in this regard, if you can sort out this issue, then even though that doesn't sort out all the problems of the american or global economy, it would be a big boost and give people a sense of confidence that there was -- you guys have got your act together. the decisions were being taken, and i think it will be good for you and good for us. so i hope you do it. i believe you will. i know right now there's bound to be tough negotiations. the president has been re-elected and i think that gives the situation its own special momentum. i hope you resolve it and then we're going to have to take some tough decisions over our way, too. >> very quickly. there was a cute video of hillary clinton here in washington over the weekend, and it had a clip from you in there. i'll pl
without concern for america's economy or standing in the world. we can't keep running trillion dollar deficits every year and throw a tantrum if someone suggests the taxpayers shouldn't keep turning every program they can dream up. let's take a look at the so-called thelma and louise democrats so he know who he's talking about. to say they are willing to go over the fiscal cliff, we have those who say they are not willing to support any reforms to entitlements. dick durbin says he would be willing to talk about it but only after a deal is struck. >> you have a difference of opinion in all political parties. i don't know many republicans who agree with mitch mcconnell. this is the guy who said his number one political goal was to get obama out of office. i think it's all positioning. you have got a bunch of democrats and mcconnell positioning themselves for negotiation. martha: tucker, what do you think? >> i think the republicans are being outnegotiated by an incredibly aggressive democratic party. they are demanding tax hikes on highest earner. an elevation in the debt limit which is
's an opportunity to go and compete in a balanced way in this economy today but there's a head start. and so -- of generational transferring of wealth. finally with equality that's taking place since the civil rights movement you have more alignment of wealth. now it's becoming 55 -- >> you're talking about such an infinitesimally small number of people. we could fit all of those people in this room. >> you're talking about african-americans in the united states that are subject to the he state tax? >> i'm not arguing the actual merits of the issue, i'm telling you the politics of it. the congressional black caucus voted with george bush. >> i know they did. >> we're going to talk about the politics of it. >> they are. >> if we're going to talk about the politics of it, let's be explicit. we're talking about multi-millionaires. we're not talking about african-american population. >> we're talking about job generators. >> we are talking about multi-millionaires, people who have over $10 million, $5 million as an individual to pass on to their children and don't want to be taxed on every dolla
economy and hurt job creation in our country. this is not good for our country. as simple as that and the president understands it. >> they're saying president needs to get in there, needs to negotiate with democrats into line if necessary. is that not happening. are you hearing congresswoman schwartz, from the president as all? >> let me say the administration is keenly interested in working with the senate and the house to get this done. the fact that the president is out and sulactually out in my district on friday morning talking to people what about is at stake for this country, for their families and the nation is something very important for him to be doing. always engaging the voters, the public is an important thing to do. and at the same time we should be and are having broad discussions about how we move forward. what we really need is we need republican leadership. just quoted them, mitch mcconnell and john boehner, to actually be sitting down and saying, look, there are places where we do agree. let's start where we agree. let's begin to have that discussion.
that exploded in the open. saying that it reads like a democratic wish-list and could plunge the economy back into recession. oh joy. welcome here. i'm bill hemmer. live in "america's newsroom.". martha: good morning, bill. bill: we'll find the silver lining in this, aren't we? martha: we are. bill: that is our quest. martha: i'm martha maccallum. here are the basics when they put forth through tim geithner yesterday from the president. 1.6 trillion in new taxes. that is the opening part of the deal. 50 billion in new stimulus spending. we already had a lot of backlash in stimulus in previous packages. this is interesting element here. new executive power to raise the debt limit. that is what caused so many of these discussions because they bump up against the debt limit and not be able to go back this. there is executive power plea to be able to do that without going back to confess. republicans are saying where is the balance? where is the spending cut side of the equation. the president said he wanted it to be a balanced deal. watch. melissa: so right now all eyes are on the white house. t
sounds] >> if the president really wants to avoid sending the economy over the fiscal cliff he's done nothing to demonstrate it. >> we don't know who pays. we don't know what we're talking about in terms of actual legislation to increase revenues it's magic beans and fairy dust. [farting sounds] >> stephanie: all right. >> fairy dust goes very well with bourbon. >> stephanie: republicans were quick to say that boehner's plan was attracting criticism from the right particularly from jim demint of south carolina, tea party leader and as such, represented more of a compromise than obama's stance. uh no! nice try. demint said boehner's plan will destroy american jobs and allow politicians in washington to spend more. oh, please we're not falling for this. they think if they criticize the plan, oh, well it must be a good compromise then. nice try! 29 minutes after the hour. spongebob squarepants tom kenny, our buddy our pal next on "the stephanie miller show." you know who's coming on to me now? you know the kind of guys w
. i am glad that the people that are in economy party on capitol hill have hearts as big as a montana sky because i'm sure they said, hey, it's cool. we all make mistakes. all of us on capitol hill, we all make mistakes from time to time and it's cool. so how did this work out after she said she was sorry? >> there's still another chance. ambassador susan rice is heading back to capitol hill today. >> i want to know what happened. >> well, i will tell you. she continued to defend her response on september 11th attack on the u.s. consulate in benghazi as a top pick to replace secretary of state hillary clinton. rice faces sort of an uphill battle because she failed to win over her harshest republican critics yesterday. >> i don't think it's an uphill battle. >> unless you want to be secretary of state for greenvil greenville, south carolina or mesa -- >> she requested this meeting was with specifically senators lindsey graham, kelly ayotte and -- >> they were upset. john mccain over the weekend. >> john mccain backed up. >> so it's really cool when she said i'm sorry. >> she did the br
're not going to grow the economy if you raise tax rates on the top two rates. it will hurt small businesses. it will hurt our economy. >> reporter: the latest abc news/"washington post" poll shows the public is with the president on this debate. on this debate. 60% support raising taxes on incomes higher than $250,000. >> it's going to affect their standard of living very little, if at all, and -- the rest of us are being asked to pay for a party that we weren't invited to. >> congress doesn't do anything, then -- i have a feeling that it's really going to be devastating for next year. >> reporter: on other proposals, the poll shows the public is mixed when it comes to increasing revenue by eliminating the mortgage income tax deduction. but they decidedly do not want to see the medicare eligibility age go up from 65 to 67. >> it bothers me when they say it's an entitlement, when we actually paid all these years when we were working. >> i think it's very difficult for people to reach a compromise, which is unfortunate, because the nation is what suffers. >> reporter: democrats are also reluc
, congress realized that if they couldn't compromise on a deficit and revenue plan, our economy would crash. turns out they couldn't compromise. so here's what they did. in order to force themselves to work together and compromise, they concocted a catastrophic penalty that would itself crash our economy. brilliant. put it another way. if there is an asteroid headed towards the earth, we made it and fired it at ourselves. because otherwise we would never have done the hard work required to protect ourselves from asteroids. >> good morning. it's friday, november 30th. welcome to "morning joe." with us on set, we have msnbc political analyst and vice president and executive editor of msnbc.com, richard wolffe is here. >> he's here? >> my lord. right here on the set. political editor and white house correspondent for the huffington post, sam stein. >> hi. >> cute thing. and msnbc political analyst and visiting professor at nyu and former democratic congressman harold ford jr. >> good morning. >> good morning. >> he's reading. >> put that down right now. put the smut down. close it up. >> i'm l
of their money to the federal government without raising tax rates which we believe am harm our economy. >> one conservative in the senate is breaking ranks with his party over the whole idea of raising tax rates with the party. tom coburn told msnbc today he would be okay with doing what the president wants, raising taxes on the wealthy, as long as it is coupled with entitlement reform and spending cuts. the reason we're told is because he believes at this point it's better to do that to get what he and other republicans want long term, which is a fundamental overhaul of the tax code, perhaps they can get that if they give the president what he wants now. you remember, coburn was among the first republicans a couple years ago to say it was okay to raise revenue. now he appears to be the first senate republican to say he would be okay with raising rates as long as it's part of that package we described. >> a meeting or a phone call between john boehner and president obama, is that at all in the works? >> as far as we know, no. whether it's in the works, we could only hope, at this point we do n
that that would not be good for the economy. so i think we're dealing with a degree of artificiality right there. >> congressman keith ellison, thanks for joining us. >> any time. thank you. >>> for more on this, let's bring in our cnn political contributor and republican strategist, mary matalin and cornel belcher, democratic strategist and pollster with the obama 2012 campaign. mary, what do you make of the details of this opening bid from the white house? republicans have already dismissed it but does it give us any clues at all about what an eventual deal might look like? >> it's reported that mitch mcconnell, senate minority leader, burst out laughing when he heard it. it's not even worthy of a laugh. it's really sad, it's pathetic. we went from a reasonable theoretical $3 in cuts for $1 in revenue which was basically the simpson-bowles, and are now at $4 of real and immediate tax increases plus new spending for in the future unspecified, uncertain cuts to we don't know what. how could anyone take that seriously? i don't even -- i thought we were doing a kabuki dance. this is not a kabuki d
they will talk tomorrow on ideas of reviving the economy. today the president is meeting with yahoo ceo marissa mayer talking about ways to avoid that year end fiscal cliff. the president said he hopes to have an agreement by christmas.k0ydx he's urging the public to pressure the congress through social media on twitter. >>> bay area small business owner met with the president yesterday to talk about this fiscal cliff, aurora is co-founder of an urban mushroom farm in oakland the farm was featured recently in "the chew." >>> congresswoman spwaoer introduced what she is calling her stop harming our kids resolution this morning on capitol hill. aimed at protecting minors from sexual orientation near i. the treatment -- therapy. critics call it junk science amountinging to psychological abuse. california is ahead of curve. governor brown signed a bill last month banning gay conversion therapy for minors. >>> supreme court is set to announce next week whether it will let prop 8 -- this morning -- [ unintelligible ] >>> still ahead, coverage of the storm continues, lisa argen will tell us next the -
feinstein fought to save the farm saying it was key to the area's economy. the lease expires tomorrow. >>> meteorologist lisa argen taking a look at that second storm on the way. >> wind gusts 35 miles an hour, light rain already reported around the bay ear. live look from our sutro camera clouds thickening and lowering, main rain is several hours off we are already feeling the affects look at mount tam, windy, rainy conditions some of this rain is a lot of low level moisture, live drop her not picking up all, but you see the blue here reporting light rain darker green is the leading edge of what has to get here, it is going to take through the over might hours heaviest rain timing not good for tomorrow's morning rush. right now picking up rain from highway 101 through american canyon, peninsula and into los altos into the east bay, all very light and should stay light but the winds are really cranking up, up to 35 miles an hour half moon bay, 25 mile an hour gusts through san jose, breezy winds around hayward. with that, subtropical, temperatures in the 60s had to bump a couple up fo
sickness. painful way to kickoff pregnancy giving so much pleasure to everyone else. >> when the economy is tough and times are a little tough this is news that cheers everyone up. >> british love her, it makes everybody a little happier. >> reporter: since the day they got engaged they've been talking about the importance of family. >> be able to have a happy family ourselves. >> reporter: the when was off the table when prince william sat down with katie couric in may. >> is there anything you would like to tell me? >> tight lips. >> reporter: kate toasting with water in september. last week prince william happy accepting a onesie. the clues were there, if you knew where to look. >> one of the many ways william and kate aren't that different from your average couple is the fact they got a puppy. when you -- >> reporter: kate is not one to back down from a challenge days before being admitted to the hospital she was playing field hockey in high heels. great role model for a daughter who would need to be strong. under new rules the first born will be next in line for the throne even if i
of the rings" films boosted the country's economy by $575 million u.s. dollars. they're hoping for that kind of impact again when you see thing s like gollum at the new zealand airport, welcoming visitors. if you fly new zealand instead of a typical safety video, here is what you'll see. >> on the broefing. make sure your belongings are hidden away under the seat before you or in the compartments ahead. >> all travelers must keep a watchful eye on the lighted signs and follow instructions. when the seat belt sign is on, sit yourself down and fasten your seat belt. >> be sure it's low across your hips. >> i would listen to that if they did it that way on american airlines. >> there is a video, carol, that people would actually pay attention to. look at this it's an air new zealand plane freshly painted with the characters from the hobbit that flew over the premiere much to the delight of the crowd. they've really taken ownership of this movie and gotten a little excited about it, like you, carol. >> like me. some people are critical of all the hype, right? >> it's become a bit of a political
to the clinton levels, a time when the american economy is doing exceptionally well, then there will not be an agreement. >> but house speaker john bigger is digging in himself, admitting talks are going nowhere. speaker boehner also described the moment when secretary geithner first showed him the president's opening offer. >> i was just flabbergasted. i looked at him and said, "you can't be serious." i've just never seen anything like it. you know, we've got seven weeks between election day and the end of the year. and three of those weeks have been wasted with this nonsense. right now i would say we're nowhere, period. we're nowhere. we've put a serious offer on the table by putting revenues up there to try to get this question resolved. but the white house has responded with virtually nothing. they've actually asked for more revenue than they've been asking for the whole entire time. >> what are the chances we're going to go over the cliff? >> there's clearly a chance. >> lindsey graham said the same thing yesterday, michael steele. he said he thinks we are going
and that is a game leapfrog. we end up with more debt and a weaker economy. the road map is greece, italy, spain, all over europe but the president thinks you can tax-and-spend your way to prosperity. >>neil: what the administration throws back on the issue is take a look at italy and greece, austerity has worked. you say what? >>guest: they have a strange definition. alwaysst either to them means higher taxes in europe and the united states austerity means less spending. i am in favor of the right definition of austerity. the balkan countries got out of the mess and now they are doing well economically because they cut, not just cut spending in the washington sense of increasing it at a slower rate they spent less one year after the other and now they are out of the trouble. if you understand the right definition of austerity is the way to go, the problem is in most of europe it means higher taxes, obama wants to give us the bad part of europe, without the good part. >>neil: thank you very much. they are not cutting anything. just slowing the growth. rebound and former president bill clinton hitting
will be on the economy. just to be clear -- >> it's about getting real about where we are and what's going on here. not deluding yourself about that. >> i agree. but we shouldn't get deluded about things like the impact it's going to have on december spending, too, karen. remember we're talking about 2013 taxes, not 2012 taxes. but if americans are taking out loans based on what their tax return is going to be in april maybe we should be talking about financial literacy and not about how budgeting works. >> we can but i'm just trying to tell you realistically that's how people are living their lives in the united states of america in the 21st century. so we need to be real about how people are living their lives. >> you know what, one thing i do want to talk about, i'll begin with you tony on this. i'm sure you saw that photo making the rounds this week of house committee chairmen? what is that all about. they're all white males. speaker boehner now said he was indeed appointing a female chair congresswoman, candice miller. this committee is in charge of things like the house cafeteria, expense ac
's economy goes over the so-called fiscal cliff. the white house and congressional republicans said to be deadlocked. president obama released his plan. it includes 1.6 trillion dollars in new tax increases. 50 billion in new stimulus spending. and stimulus, and new power to raise the debt ceiling without congressional approval. tim geithner, john boehner appearing with chris wallace on fox news sunday. >> we're nowhere, period. we're nowhere. we put a serious offer on the table by putting revenues up there to get this question resolved but the white house has responded with virtually nothing. they have actually asked for more revenue than they have been asking the whole entire time. >> in kind of a tough position now. it is going to be, obviously a little hard for them now. they're trying to figure out where they go next. we might need to give them a little more time to let them go next. we did what you expect from us. we laid out a very detailed, carefully designed set of spending savings and tax changes that help put us back on a path to fiscal responsibility. bill: where are we
questions about jobs and the economy. this is similar, except it will focus on the fiscal cliff. $2,000 is the amount the average american will see taxes increase by if they can't get a deal done. i've been looking at the entries to this hash tag, it's mixed so president obama can expect tough x questions. one person writes in, why don't republicans in congress realize that when we voted for you we voted for your tax plan. that's one person. another writes in, what are you willing to compromise with the gop to get this fiscal cliff stuff done? i think president obama preparing to answer some tough questions from voters. over the weekend house speaker john boehner said these negotiations are nowhere. jay carney disagrees with that assessment. now phone calls at this point between president obama and congressional leaders, but the white house says the talks will be ongoing over the next several days, tamron. >> thank you. the president's q and a on twitter comes days after republicans flat-out rejected his opening bid in negotiations. house speaker john boehner appeared on one sunday
increases, no spending restraint, and it's very bad in the next -- very bad for the economy and then because of that, very bad in the next election. >> okay. let's just move on to what happens if this plan goes to the floor. jonathan chait in new york magazines republicans are considering having their members vote present on an extension of the middle class tax cuts --. you've talked about not having fingerprints on the murder weapon. is voting present better than voting yes to your mind? >> it strikes me as an odd -- i have not heard anybody suggest this as a strategy other than democrats. it seems a way for the democrats to get what they want. there are a lot of people suggesting to the republicans that they give the democrats what they want, and i guess i would like to suggest the democrats should give the republicans what they want and then we can be even. but again, it's got to pass the laugh test not just for the next 24 hours after a deal is agreed to, but for two years. the bush agreement in 1990 didn't necessarily stink to high heaven in the first four days. it's when you are trying
to keep 98% of the bush tax cuts in place for the betterment of the economy. >> it's so much bigger than that. >> they have won. >> republicans won. >> we have won. tax breaks. >> so to give a couple of percentage points to 2% of people. >> it could be so much bigger because the conversation has been shifted to how do we reduce our deficit. >> brian sullivan, thank you so much. greatly appreciate your insights. thanks for being with us on "way too early." you can catch brian on cnbc's "street signs" at 2:00 p.m. he is the hardest working man in show business, or at least on the other side of the river. >>> coming up this morning, we've got republican senator tom coburn. can't wait to talk to tom. also, tom cole will be here on set. that's great. we're going to ask him what he was thinking last week. i'm joking. congressman. also, democratic senator claire mccaskill. can you believe this? and congressman chris van hollen. also, we're going to bring in former national security adviser dr. brzezinski. and straight ahead, mike allen with the top stories from "politico." and mika should be je
't see taxes go up on anybody, so that we can engage in tax reform, get this economy going again. we're not playing a game. we're being serious. that offer yesterday was simply not serious. >> oh, boy. scrooge, rope-a-dope. where does that leave us after months of hearing about the fiscal cliff, no signs of a compromise plan yet. chief white house correspondent jessica yellin here now. jessica, what happened to all this, hey, willing to work together, let's compromise, let's do what the american people want, we got a couple of days here before we go on vacation? what happened? >> reporter: i don't know. maybe it is always darkest before the dawn? that's the most optimistic way to look at it, i guess. look, the white house would look at it this way or democrats at least, they have been frustrated that they argue that republicans have not come to the table with specifics on how they would raise taxes. the president as you know campaigned on this pledge to raise taxes on the upper income, and they want to hear what republicans are willing to do on that. so they said since the republican
like the economy really moving again too, and now can you see it reflected many some of the moves these big companies are making. what is happening is that they're being forced to streamline to keep things operating as tightly as possible. it will cut 99,000 jobs arnold the world, and this is a global layoff, and they're doing this in an effort to save about $1 billion. michael corbitt says these actions are logical next steps in citi's transformation. suzanne, to remind our viewers, the bank has struggled more than some of its rivals after the financial crisis. now, i also want to update you on what's happening with lockheed martin. lockheed marten is relocating hundreds of jobs from georgia to texas. employees who work on the company's f-22s will have the option to move from marietta to fort worth by the end of march. if they choose not to, they'll either be reassigned or laid off. you're going to hear similar situations at other companies too, and these moves are one of the more unfortunate aspects of an economy that's really having trouble rebounding, suzanne. >> explain to us
to the economy. what are you hearing from wall street? sounds like some folks aren't so nervous. >> there is a variety of opinions, diversity of opinions. i said show me two economists and i'll show you six different opinions. the opinions are out of my control. what is in my control is this. can we get certainty? and, again, we all agree on at least the first $250,000, me, myself, i think it ought to be higher because it should be linked to the cost of living and not some figure. i think it should be higher. but let's just get agreement and pass the bill where we know everybody does agree. and that's on at least the first $250,000. that gives the market certainty and just as important it gives the middle class certainty. right now, this weekend, people are going to go out and buy holiday presents for their family, their friends, loved ones, they need to know whether their taxes are going to go up by $2,000 because we can't get an agreement. let's at least get that done and then we can move on to the more contentious issues. >> okay. congressman steve israel, appreciate it. than
an economy-crippling deadline. yet talks seem to be going nowhere. treasury secretary timothy geithner will be the guest on "this week" with george stephanopoulos. >> last weekend, you sat right here and you said you were reasonably optimistic that a deal could be afoot. in the intervening week, lot of trash-talking from both sides, can we still be somewhat hopeful? >> this week was a rough week in these negotiations. treasury secretary geithner when he went up to capitol hill, mitch mcconnell laughed when they got the offer from geithner. house speaker boehner said that the talks are at a stalemate. democrats said they're not going to make another move until republicans say they're going to go for an increase in tax rates. so, this is stalemate right now. now, these things always look horrible when they come together. more and more voices say, this is going to go over the fiscal cliff at least for a few days in january. >> if we go over the fiscal cliff, voters will likely blame the republicans for that. is is that true sf. >> all of the polls show that right now. we know that the tax
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